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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Na+/K+ATPase and FT3

 

Impaired Na+,K+ATPase activity in red blood cells in euthyroid women treated with levothyroxine after total thyroidectomy for Graves' disease

In patients suffering from hyperthyroidism dependent on Graves' disease, a reduction in Na+,K+ATPase activity has been demonstrated in red blood cells (RBCs), as well as an inverse correlation between this enzymatic action and free triiodothyronine (FT3) levels. The restoration of normal FT3 values also brings about a normalization of Na+,K+ATPase activity in erythrocytes.

NB. after total thyroidectonomy in 2 groups Graves and nontoxic and diffuse nodular goiter(NDNG)

the activity of Na+,K+ATPase in RBCs was once again reduced (NOT normalised despite T4 only replacement in GG,
while normal in GC (who also received T4 only replacement) who underwent total thyroidectomy for nontoxic and diffuse nodular goiter (group control [GC])

So it was something to do with the Graves antibodies?

Note normalization of Na+,K+ATPase activity in erythrocytes was achived during antithyroid therapy with the Graves subjects.
This suppressed the antibody level?

Thionamide treatment restored the normal activity of the Na/K pump, accompanied by normalization of the number of ouabain-binding sites

Me thoughts so far all below..I'm trying to make sense of observation on what happens with myself and friends

In low (inadequate) cortisol state,
K+ UP (maybe high in normal range)

Na+ DOWN (maybe low in normal range)

as Na+,K+ATPase DOWN has reduced activity..impaired..(working slow)

FT3 UP (near top or above normal range)
this is as the FT3 is not being used up (broken down if you insist!)
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A friend , G, was given a K+ drip for a low K+ state, and found her FT3 was above range immediately after.
Assumed test results on 100 mcg thyroxin
before drip..
FT4 18, unknown but not known to be highish in range on T4 alone b4 , TSH 2+
After drip
FT4 11, FT3 near top of range, TSH 2+

It appears the K+ drip caused K+ to go high??
My thoughts, this happened due to a a reduction in Na+,K+ATPase activity.. therefore FT3 increased(same as in the low cortisol case I think)as the FT3 couldn't be used (broken down) due to the lowering activity of the Na+,K+ATPase pump.

Hey G, is this what happened?

also found
Plasma renin and aldosterone in thyroid diseases
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

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from Thyroiddiaries (SueInMaine)

but see this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/utils/
lofref.fcgi?PrId=3671&uid=12811678&db=pubmed&url=
http://www.smw.ch/archive200x/2003/13/smw-10172.html

Bob
Posted 1/20/2006 7:11 AM by GuestBob - reply

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expected Bob.. the liver does a lot of the convesrion from Ft4 to Ft3..

Liver function down(I need an up arrown and a down arrow Bob!) .so Ft4 .. body tries to keep this the same(homeostatis from thyroid gland release mostly..this is still acheiveable no matter what the liver is doing!)..

it will try to keep Ft3 up too if possible.. nding mrore of the T4 (lowering T4) to have more Ft4 to convert.. but its not converted by liver as it expects.. so its probably made into RT3(as the body doent like Ft4 being too high..trie for homeostsatis on it!).. thus lowering TT4,  but Ft4 same.. it managed that one..phew (but total T4 gets lowered in the effort).
Body  has real problems when idiots like me give it neat armour.. hence all those hypo side effects..

 anyway boy can maintain its desired homeostatis in Ft4 with poor liver fuinction.. (at expense of TT4). Will have to check on te protein binders are where manufctured.. liver may play a part in this too..

If above correwct you'd expect RT3 to be riased though.

It cant maintain FT3..as it relied on the liver o do some of the conversion.. this is even a worse problems when given T4 only as you can imagine..talked to some patients with this problem!! (dumb docs...)

 the total T3 would be the same though.. did work it out now forgotten.. sorry not in mood for thiking today..

Tony's paper has diagrams of percentage deiodinised by each gland in a human etc.. very interesting.  Kidneys area biggie too..

I'll look at it when I've mor time.. thanks for this though..

I'm sure its right.. the FT3 lower but not Ft4 is expected.. will have to look at what T3 and t4 bind with in proportions to work out the rest I'd say..

TT3 the same will take some thinking about.. no time now

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actually reading that agin.. I dont know enoug about liver .. to tell diffence between exceph. and cirrhosis..even

I've always expected problems with Ft3 with liver problems though and would expect to have to take a more human blood serum rati of t4 and T3..instead of human thyroid release ratio if liver having problesm..

no time to study liver at present.. but thanks for the article Bob

(I cant edit comments either on here...)

Posted 1/21/2006 9:57 AM by JTealady - reply


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